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I do hate to bring up old discussion points, especially ones so wonderfully discussed already. But I dragged Pagin in Exile along to read through while waiting for the doctor today, and this scene just hit me (which actually, is the scene [info]deaka points out in the last comment on that page - I think I missed that comment before!)


[Upon arriving in Bram and meeting Jordan, who is catching Roland up on the family news (in particular, Berengar's wives)]

"I'm afraid that I haven't done so well. My wife is still breathing."

Roland stiffens.

"Your wife?" he says sharply.

"Oh yes. My wife. You haven't met Gauzia. That pleasure still awaits you." Jordan pauses an instant, as if expecting some kind of comment. But Roland remains mute. "God knows, I've done my best to get rid of her. I can't help it if I'm lacking in those repulsive qualities Berengar finds so useful. It's my belief that his breath is what ultimately killed them."

"Has he- has Berengar chosen-?"

"One of the Morlans. Ada. Apparently she's about fifteen years old, so he'll probably make a nice quick job of her." His expressionless blue eyes drift down to where I'm lurking. Spotted, damn it. "And who might this be? Your fancy boy?"

"This is my squire." (Roland, through clenched teeth.)
"Pagan Kidrouk." (PiE, US ver, page 17

Colour me convinced that Roland knows about Jordan. Anyone else? It could still be entirely innocent, but something keeps nagging at me.

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mint_green From: [info]mint_green Date: 30th September 2010 08:19 (UTC) (Link)
Jordan pauses an instant, as if expecting some kind of comment. But Roland remains mute.

Don't worry, Jordan. HE'S THINKING THEM.

I stick with my original stance: Roland knows. Jordan knows that Roland knows. Jordan probably also knows Roland won't be able to comment on it without his head exploding, so he has something else to annoy Roland with.
melonsplash From: [info]melonsplash Date: 11th October 2010 10:21 (UTC) (Link)
[I know this comment is from forever ago, but shush. There's a reason we post stuff and they're allowed to sit here forever.]

Roland knows. Jordan knows that Roland knows. Jordan probably also knows Roland won't be able to comment on it without his head exploding, so he has something else to annoy Roland with. You summed it up perfectly, if you ask me.
mint_green From: [info]mint_green Date: 11th October 2010 10:24 (UTC) (Link)
Pagansfandom is like the slowest comm in the world, but I do love it that way.
snuffles_moonie From: [info]snuffles_moonie Date: 29th October 2010 06:47 (UTC) (Link)
RE: Mint_green.
Yeah we are like super slow, man.

Anyway to point of discussion, oh yes Roland totally knew. Of course he did. Entirely innocent? Never!

And later on, he keep fussing about Pagan making sure he's safe from Jordan's advances too.
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